I recently went through a painfully idiotic discussion with, an otherwise highly intelligent, friend of mine. He put me onto the Zeitgeist films which I was finding interesting if not a tad debatable until…. they started on 911 conspiracy theories.
When discussing the films (via the medium of Facebook instant messenger) to my horror I discovered my learned friend believed this nonsense. At first I thought he was joking but no. My dear friend believes that the US government not only were responsible for flying the planes into the towers but also that they had the building rigged to explode. On top of this he backs the idea that there was no plane at the Pentagon or in Shanksville. He found the official Bin-Laden line unbelievable.
That is unbelievable compared to the notion that the government went to all the trouble to rig the towers to collapse (because flying two planes into them was not enough to convince the civilised world to go to war over oil). But when it came to the Pentagon they decided just to blow it up and pretend there was a plane. This is the US government, why did they not just fly a plane into the Pentagon? Why pretend there was one? Why do that on top of what happened in New York? What was the fourth plane in Shanksville all about?
Maybe they ran out of money after the New York element? I mean the US government must plan all their conspiracies on a budget? Maybe they went over budget on the explosives to bring down the towers but they had a lot left over so decided instead of ruining a perfectly good plane on the Pentagon attacks they would just use up the excess explosive? Or maybe (and I think this is the one he could have won me over with) they stored the left over explosive from New York in the Pentagon but forgot to unplug the timer and they went off with the rest of them? After all this meticulous planning did they get the sense this wasn’t enough?
“Hey I ain’t happy with this plan yet boys, ideas?”
“Maybe we should also pretend a plane crashed into a field Mr. President?”
“My word Joe, give yourself a raise.”
“Thank you very much Mr. President.”
“Actually you can’t, we used up all the money on the explosive.”
“Awwwww.”
He made the point to me that if I ask any pilot of a 737 or a 777 they would tell me how difficult it is to fly a plane directly into a building. I responded that I didn’t know any pilots of 737s or 777s and perhaps I could discuss it with the pilot they had discussed it with. It turns out they didn’t actually know a pilot.
And the US government did all this to start a war over oil? Yes because the US has always had a policy of make sure everyone is on side before they make a move. Anyway off to war they went in the famously oil rich country of Afghanistan. But why didn’t they save themselves all the trouble and just pretend to go in under the guise of removing the Taliban? No one would have believed that is why they were doing it but we could all have lived with the lie that they were acting out of wanting to protect the people of Afghanistan from a human rights crisis.
On the question of the Iraq war and their oil, why would the Bush administration, after carrying out the 911 attacks, pretend that Bin-Laden was in Iraq? Leave the Afghanistan’s out of the picture. If we’re willing to believe he was behind the attacks we’ll believe he’s in Iraq.
Finally there is the question of the number of people involved in the conspiracy. My friend spoke about air traffic control doing nothing, so they were all in on it. Who flew the planes into the towers? Obviously highly trained 737 or 777 pilots, quite happy to sacrifice their lives so America can have some more oil. Whatever else you do don’t forget the Jews who didn’t go to work that day, they were all in on it too.
In fact I’m beginning to feel like I’m the only person who wasn’t in on it.
Last word to Charlie Brooker.
Paul Mc M
I just love your sanity. I get the paranoia of the conspiracyphiles…everyone has good old standard galactic paranoia…but, damn!
Not even my florrid imagination can cope with their ‘conclusions’ and concocted bollocks!
My respect to you for posting a rational 9/11 site.
Hey thanks for the support man, I’ve just had enough of idiots, felt I had to say something
hmm…. Paul, well you and you friend might have just not be too much informed about the subject. There are more things then having a pilot as a friend and have his opinions on how to crash a 747 into a building. I’m not a 9/11 conspiracy theorist but I believe in FACTS. After that it’s up to you to make a conclusion. Paranoia? I don’t think that would be even part of looking for Facts and the truth. The worse part is that Families that died in those towers never got their answers on many questions they have asked. Again before writing about a conversation and debate that you had with your intelligent friend I would suggest to look for the truth your self by looking at both side and making your own opinion. The fact that your friend thinks that the government did that already tells me that me might be a smart friend but ignorant on the subject.
no Paul your right, i think the us Goverment were behind the 9/11 for a FACT! the reason behind it was because their economy was badly declining and they were losing grip of the oil-rich middle-east bush is scum and needs to rot in hell!!
I think you misunderstand me. My point was that the government had nothing to do with it and all the conspiracy theories are nonsesne.
bush has killed his own people .its all there for every one to see it does sound unbelivable but i think its the bush man .he is a nutter and i wouldent put nothing past him
im with paul, the govt is not that stupid and plan a very sloppy conspiracy if they were to declare war on taliban for oil. i too was hoping to find the truth about this 911 conspiracies but if it were true? then i might say that the govt especially the one who plan this “consiracy” sucks bigtime..
Give me a fucking break you god damn conspirators! Our own government is extremely corrupt yes but they would not kill thousands of innocent American lives! You people discus me! I think this is ridiculous and outlandish, can you people be so naive? Its no secret that AL-Qaeda is responsible for 9/11. They have claimed all responsibility for what they did. Read the 9/11 commission report and inside Al Qaeda then tell me our government is at fault. I am 17 but i assure you that i am much more well informed in this matter than any one of you! This has been long awaited we knew that something was going to happen but we didn’t know what. People ignored others so it was missed we could have stopped it. but we didn’t. We also didn’t do it on purpose that is ridiculous. I think we should just drop a H bomb on those Allah bastards and put them out of their misery! fucking towel heads!!!!
Holly crap, you are one xenophobic hormonal teenager. Perhaps you should channel your rage into listening to emo-rock and masturbating over cheerleaders and stop running your ignorant and racist mouth in public forums.
Innocent american lives, if they share your viewpoint that the soluntion is to “drop a H bomb on those Allah bastards” then they are anything but innocent. What you are doing is inciting hate, and what your government is doing is killing innocent people abroad. Neither is acceptable, just like 9/11 wasn’t acceptable either. We are all victims of crimes our governments commit.
Also, look up how many gallons of oil America uses and the amount you actually have.
Go back to school, little boy, and stop making a fool out of yourself.
so do you honestly think we were better off just saying, “oh shoot, we were attacked! But that’s okay. We’ll just ignore it and act like it didn’t happen. We don’t want to be like them and kill people just because we’re angry. That would be silly of us!”
I ask this, when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor back in 1941, was it wrong of Roosevelt to wage war on Japan? Was he evil for fighting back? No one ever bitched and complained about that. So why when Bush does it, people throw a stinker and call him a baby killer? I see this as nothing different.
and another thing. we didn’t go to the middle east for their oil. we have enough for us here. Remember the spill in the gulf not too long ago… yeah how many millions of gallons leaked into the ocean?? but oh yes! we need the oil in the middle east.. wowwwwwww people are so retarded!
So are you saying that America doesn’t import oil from overseas because we produce enough at home? I fully agree that 9/11 was not a conspiracy pulled off by the U.S. government, but don’t fool yourself. We use much more oil than we produce and get to benefit from deflated prices in our country because the United States dollar is still the denomination that much of the world uses to trade oil. Take it easy on the “allah bastard” comments as well. Maybe you should try leaving the United States and meeting some folks from around the world. I think you’ll find that they are nothing like the caricature images you have in your mind.
As for Marina, no matter what the thoughts of the people in the towers were about muslims on that day, they did not deserve to die. There’s no doubt the U.S. government has killed some innocent people in it’s time, but let’s also remember who’s the first to show up with help whenever there is a natural disaster or crisis elsewhere in the world. As you said, we are all victims of crimes our governments commit. That being said, given the choice to live anywhere in the world, I choose the U.S.A.
It was the Federal reserve ,not oil .Just like the silver certs and JFK . Follow the money . the need for another false was there .
I believe that we must be open minded, history proves that we are pawns in a huge chess game and we must never ever believe what we are told from the powers that be. As sad as it is if we just accept what we are told then we are a part of a dangerous game. There are two sides always. Evan, yes goverments would kill thousands of innocent people, just look at history and know of all that have died in the name of war. They will tell the young they are a hero for dying or becoming maimed and for murdering in the name of war.
It is important also Evan, to learn as much as you can before forming opinion. To have hatred for a race that you have expressed in an act of retaliation is sad. All countries are filled with innocent people regardless of race, religion, class or colour and it is war hungry organisations (goverments) that damage our lives with war. These goverments and organisations only succeed because we the innocent, listen to them and believe in their strategies and go and fulfill their missions by joining armies, terrorist groups.
I don’t have an opinion really, i do however distrust anything goverment and media tell me, which i think is where ‘conspiracy’ is driven from, which is a sad way to live, but healthy. Always question, but nothing is FACT from any side.
I have gathered quite a lot of info into what was said to have happened on 9/11 with building 7, pentagon etc… and it seems to me that you guys see it as a black and white issue. i.e. it was either al qaeda or it was the american government. although i am all open to watching movies like the Zeitgeist and find conspiricy theories entertaining and interesting, the conclusion i have come to is that what actually happened that day is not what they told us. to specualte any further than that would be steering further away the facts and into pure speculation. alot of unaswered questions and things that don’t add up doesnt neccesarily mean the govt did it but it does not rule it out either. and that guy that said they could not have done it because he regards the american govt too clever and resourceful to pull it off in the sloppy way it happened really does make me laugh. that is opinion based on his high regard for a state and a complete refusal to comprehend that they would do that to their own people. I cannot say whether they did it or not but what I can say is not to understimate the lengths that nations will go to to get what they want. When I learned about hitler in school I used to ask myself “how on earth did one man turn his entire country against an entire race and religion and everyone just agreed with it?” And then I saw it happen in front of my eyes as American citizens threw up their arms in hatred for the Islam, naming them as their number 1 enemy overnight! The American govt (like all govts) manipulates its people to gain support for doing whatever it is they will do. Using 9/11 as a vehicle to hate the middle east so nobody will mind when the allies invade iraq and kill innocent civilians is just as sad than thinking they did it themselves. We can say for sure, deduced from facts and accounts incl Mr.Blair’s that that DID actually happen. so regardless of whether they did it themseleves, it sure worked in their favour as one big support campaign to fight for honour, truth and the american way. We as people of these countries are the ones to really pity. We are sheep… cattle… statistics… But they wouldn’t really manipulate us would they??? Of course not because they are the U.S Govt and theyre amazing! pffffttt
When China eventually begins to run out of resources and starts to invade its surrounding neighbours, we will see how this works when were not part of the superpower who does what it wants to get what it needs!
Congratulations, you’re the first person to name how China will behave in the future, due to the same reasons the US did on 9/11, JFK, Pearl Harbor, WWI and countless others. (official statements are never true).
I;m an structural engineer and those towers shouldn’t have fallen they way they did, none other in the world has collapse all the way due to a fire high above. Much less the third tower falling hours later at WTC.
Also, any plane wreckage leaves plenty of parts, some are indestructible like landing gears and turbines, yet they found everybody’s DNA when everything else disintegrated as they claim.
Plus how can anyone believe America had only two jet fighters to defend the East coast because all others had a training day ?
Are those arab radicals that stupid to provoke the US ?
I hope future Americans don’t laugh at how simple minded we all were believing what the government told us, like we laugh at how people believed Earth was flat just because the leaders said so.
Our leaders did it because they thought it was good for our country and their own convenience. It’s a business, period.
I thinks it was them pesky leprechauns
Not funny, bruce. you’re probably a retarded redneck
I thought it was quite funny, a bit of levity is exactly what’s needed.
Dude I heard it was actually SONY! I’m gonna do a big exposé on pietriots (here on wp.com) for the anniversary!
As it happened in Pearl Harbor’s incident… the government, the cia, the pentagon generals, and all the intelligence agencies KNEW IN ADVANCE about the terrorist’s plans… and they just simply LET IT HAPPEN, to take advantage of the victim’s right to pay back for supporting other purposes… Remember that once the terrorists intended to make the WTC’s towers fell down with a car full of explosives in one of the basement floors…. They knew the terorists will try it again, so when they were pretty sure about the real target, they prepared in advance wiring the three towers of the WTC with controlled explosive charges so in the right time with all the world amazed and horrified about the plane crashes, they made the towers collapse… (we better say they “demolished” the towers)… The victims => expendable casualties that may happen as in any war scenario… The People => fooled by the same people they elected as governors and their security and peace keepers…. And finally in the TV News… “Yes! the land is Flat… Just as the Oficial Story goes and the Leaders say…”
Who planted the explosives? Are they all in on it too? Why bother with the other 2 planes, surely bringing down the two towers would be enough? Do you live on your own?
First of all Paul, you don’t seem to understand much of it.
second, it is the first time in history that a building ( let alone two of the tallest in the world ) has fallen straight and directly to the ground after being on fire. I have been to Ground Zero to pay respect. The church that is directly across the street does not have a scratch on it ( divine intervention? yeah right ).
Especially of all George Bush’s reaction to hearing about what happened is just ridiculous. He should be held for War Crimes, the amount of people who have died as result of his actions is discusting!
You haven’t managed to make a point here.
you rlly need to look at the physics of the collapse how does a building basically implode i mean it was built to withstand a direct hit from a jet so we r made to believe that this made the towers collapse and wtc 7 fell the same way so that makes sense seein as it wasnt (apart from some debris and fire ) hit by anything. And months before bush’s relatives that owned a construction company was working down on the support columns u kno where they found thermite.
But i do agree with u that it wasnt the govt it was al Qaeda and the govt. I mean lets kick the ballistics here Osama was a cia tactian when the ussr was in Afghanistan and he STILL is one and everyone that says murder is in the islam religion is a bigot i mean the catholic religion prob has more blood on its hands than islam. We give the govt power wen we turn on the daily news because that is the unofficial 4th branch of the govt, next time u watch it count how many times the go in depth on depressing and scary topics such as murder, robbery, rapes, kidnapping and jus death and then count how many times they dont talk about that stuff.
People need to realize this and prepare for the depression that is coming is very very soon and we know this cuz all the fat heads on capitol hill and wall st are fumbling to get as much money as they can a.k.a 2008 stimulus package.
KILLUMINATI!!!!
Why don’t the close-minded people that think the 9/11 conspiracy is a complete hoax/ridiculous/ yatta yatta yatta actually go to zeitgeist.com and watch it. you may think it’s stupid from this idiots point of view but open your mind, pry open that third eye and maybe you’ll see what i’m seeing.
Pry that third eye open? This idiot’s point of view? I don’t think I want to see what you’re seeing.
I corrected your bad grammar for you in my reply, no charge. x
We live in a democratic tyrrany. Although I do not live in your Country, my Country depends greatly on the actions and economy of yours. The U.S. Constitution, Declaration of Independence and Bill of Rights are three of the greatest documents ever forged and they are no longer being adhered to by the people and Corporations who have “seemingly” more power than ordinary individuals. It is in the power of this internet medium that gives me untwarted hope that we might learn how much power we of democratic systems truly have in the forging of the future of our children’s world. The Arab Spring is a direct result of the same medium. I dearly hope an American Spring can bloom one day too; as it will save the rest of the world from this contagious tyranny. As you continue to question the history of “facts” from the people who write it with your friends and family and anonomous people like this forum, look into a few things to guide you like who owns the Federal Reserve and why do we pay these people interest on money they create from nothing? You will find that indeed money does grow from trees, harvested into dollar bills and loaned to the lending institutions and then to us for a very high premium, keeping us in a happy slavdom because we can afford plasmas and watch terrible television instead of continuing the great work of the people who created your great Nation who ironically left their homelands because of similar circumstances and in order to create a more perfect union of ordinary people where everyone was to have the chance to pursue life, liberty and happiness. Remember also how much power you truly have – vote with your dollars, invest not in massive corporations, but local entrepreneurs and buy products from companies that you research and learn to respect in terms of their behavior. Vote for anyone in your political arena that speaks the truth, even if it is somewhat hidden in their guise to remain off the radar of powerfully moneyed people who will not go quietly to pasture. But whatever you do, dont be cattle who believe virtually everything they hear, read and see – as that will be the end of questioning and the end and the first amendment and the end of freedom everywhere and that would make the life and death of hundreds of millions of people around the world who worked and faught for us all – all for naught.
for all those that believe that there was explosives planted at the foot of the building to bring them down especailly (joehdz, no way are you a structual engineer), 1)it would take days to drill into a the supporting beams, hundreds of miles of wiring and many many man hours to set up with a large team needed (are all the secruity guards and explosive engineers in on it too?) 2) if it was blown from the bottom why were the lower supporting struts the only standing part of the building left. who can not forget the pictures of the large metal supporting struts sticking up from the ground, all bent and twisted. when a building is destroyed from the bottom with explosives, the lower supporting struts are destroyed completly to allow the building to fall, this never happended with the twin towers as although they were bent and twisted, they were still standing and attached to the foundations. with all the planning and people that would be needed to arrange and to pull of this huge event its so obvious that this was not an inside job but was instead the work of a group of determined terrorists who learnt how to fly planes, got onto planes that at the time they had very little security, with many areoplanes leaving the cockpit door open during the flight, stabed and assaulted the crew before locking themselves into the cockpit and crashing the planes into buildings. who here pre 911, had not been on a flight where at times you could see the pilots as the doors were left open, and lets be honest shops had better security than planes (at least they have security guards). think of it this way, do you think pre 911 it would have been possible for yourself and a few of your friends to overpower a few airhostess and 2 captains with some weapons you had took onto a plane and with a suprise attack, i think quite honestly people must realise that there was a huge problem with security on planes, and thats why a group of guys with no more than a few knives, fakebombs and an unexpected attack for the flight crew, were able to take over planes and crash them into buildings.
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The conspiracy theorist are right…Paul IS dead…no brain activity whatsoever. Bleeting and Babbling…
“Money Makes the World Go Round”
Most of you are making undereducated and uninformed claims; on BOTH sides. To truly understand any issue, you need to see both sides of the picture. Automatically writing someone off as an idiot simply because you don’t agree with them is..well… idiotic. Have any of you ever actually read even a small part of the official 9/11 report? If you have, you will notice a lot of holes in the story. I am not here to make any ridiculous conspiracy theory type claims; HOWEVER, I think what actually happened that day, and what the government tells happened that day are two VERY different things. All of that being said; simply using your mind and actually THINKING (what a concept!) about these events will give you new insights. For example… how does a fire at the very top of a building cause the entire structure to collapse? It doesn’t. WTC towers are the only buildings in history to suffer a total implosive collapse simply from interior fires. Structure fires are not nearly hot enough to melt steel, even if they are fueled by jet fuel. I need not cite this claim. Go look it up. You will surprised what you find. That and a whole lot more.
Oh yeah, chances are; the motivation was either money or power (or both) NOT OIL. If oil had anything to do with it, it is only because there is HUGE profit to be made off of oil. Why do you think the most wealthy CEO’s are protected during economic uncertainty before the citizens? That has pretty much been the cause of every War/attack/invasion in history. Don’t believe me? Again, grab some history books and look it up.
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